something pretty important that would revolutionize telecommunications, so i went back to bill and don and said, i am ready to do something. they said, you can own a third of the company. we will take the other two- thirds. you can be president. you will have the biggest share. we will control two-thirds. we will control a third, and i did not have any money. they said, that is ok. we will put what we have in, and that is how it got started. i had a 1985 buick and two insurance policies. i cashed in the insurance policies. i got $1,200 each. i came up with $5,000. my partner said, we will give the rest of your equity. you will be president, and we will see what we can do, and that is how it began. >> how many years were you in that business? >> we form did in august or september of 1982. we had it for three years, and then we brought some new partners in north carolina, and then we rolled are interested to that company, and i was with the new consolidated company from 1985 until 1987. i stayed on the board and was very active on the board. i did some management, so from 1982 until 1987